ID number: TQ.2016.020
Name of interviewee: Nicole Perkins
Name of interviewer: Denise Smith
Name of transcriber: Take 1
Location: Nicole’s home
Address: Cannock, Staffordshire
Date: 3 May 2016
Length of interview: 0:30:09
Summary
Nicole talks about her first quilt, a sampler quilt, which she made while attending classes. She explains how nice it was to see how, although the students all made the same blocks, all the finished quilts were different. Later Nicole talks about learning to sew on a Singer treadle machine, attending quilt shows and some of the quilts she has made.
Interview
Denise Smith [DS]: Talking Quilts interview 2016.020. Denise Smith. Today is Tuesday the 3rd of May, 2016 and the time is 2.45, and we’re at the home of Nicole Perkins in Staffordshire, England. Hello Nicole.
Nicole Perkins [NP]: Hello.
DS: Could… would you like to tell me about the quilt we’ve got in front of us today?
NP: Well, it’s the first one I made, and so it’s my baby really. It’s … it’s a sampler quilt, Nine Blocks, and it’s done in cream, brown and blue.
DS: Does it have… Have you given it a name, just your first quilt?
NP: Just, no… it’s just my quilt that’s all, yeah. There’s nothing much else to tell you about it really…
DS: So, well how, how big is it about do you think?
NP: It’s about four foot by four. Yeah, about 48 inches by 48 inches, yeah.
DS: And w… and when did you make it? Can you remember when you made it?
NP: Yes, I’ve got the date on it here. Tw…
DS: Oh.
NP: 2012 I believe. Yes, 2012 going into 13. Yeah.
DS: And, and did you make it for anybody specifically or was it just your first quilt and…
NP: It was my first one, and we made it, well, we all made some in our quilting group. And we were under the watchful eye of Mrs Smith [laughs] and she helped us with all of them. But I like this one particularly of anything I’ve made because it was the first and… that’s it really.
DS: Yeah. You say it’s got a sampler quilt so a sampler d’you… can you describe a sampler quilt? What, what, what is your description of a sampler quilt?
NP: Well a sampler quilt is, this particular one is made of nine blocks each one with a different, each block is different and they all have a different name.
DS: And do you know the names of the blocks?
NP: Well, yes. I’ve got some of them in my mind and one of them is Flying Geese, one is Churn Dash, one was I think it was Dutchman’s Puzzle, and one was the Old Maid’s Puzzle.
DS: Okay.
NP: But I, I really can’t remember the rest, although I do have them, do have the pattern. I can get it out and check for you.
DS: Yeah, that’s lovely. There are lots and lots of different quilt blocks aren’t there…
NP: Yes.
DS: … and I think wherever you come from everybody gives ’em a different name or title don’t they?
NP: Yes.
DS: You’ve got some lovely fabrics in here. Can you describe them for us?
NP: Um [clears throat]. The, the main colour I suppose is a creamy yellow with a tiny blue and yellow floral design on. Then there’s a dark blue which has the same kind of design but in yellow and light blue. And then I’ve used that for the borders. And the blocks are surrounded by brown, a brown, chocolatey brown fabric.
DS: It’s a lovely chocolate brown isn’t it? A lovely combination.
NP: Yeah. And the then in-between the sashing, in-between was in the, the yellow. And the, the main border was first the chocolate brown and then the, the dark blue.
DS: Lovely. Do you remember where you had your fabrics from for this one?
NP: Yes, I bought them when we went to a quilt show at the NEC, and but I can’t remember the name of the…
DS: No.
NP: … of the vendor or…
DS: No. It’s been a few years ago now, wasn’t it?
NP: Well, it was, yes.
DS: We, we buy so much fabric that we can’t [laughs] possibly remember where we got it all.
NP: [Laughs] No. No.
DS: So you, you… Did you hand or, or machine piece the quilt together?
NP: Oh, we machined them.
DS: And that was your fir-first one. How did you cope with that? Did you find it difficult?
NP: Well, there was a lot of swearing and unpicking but [both laugh]… but I got it together in the end, yeah.
DS: What did you…
NP: But Mrs Smith was a great help. I, I wouldn’t have managed without her.
DS: And then afterwards you’ve, you’ve qu… put wadding in obviously.
NP: Yeah.
DS: And the backing.
NP: Yes.
DS: I’ll just have a look at the backing. That’s lovely as well.
NP: So I’ve got it in, in stripes.
DS: Oh. So can you tell us how you’ve, you’ve done the backing?
NP: Well, I have in the middle of the backing going the length of the quilt, I have a stripe of the light yellow. And then either side of that is the dark blue. [clears throat] And then I’ve introduced an extra one because I didn’t have enough fabric, which is a sort of a goldie yellow with a design on it, just a sort of self-coloured design on it.
DS: Right.
NP: And the border is the light yellow and blue.
DS: That’s lovely. Could be used either side couldn’t it really?
NP: Well, I suppose so, yeah.
DS: Nice.
NP: But the light show off my handiwork with the brown bit.
DS: Ah. And I can see you’ve, you’ve quilted it beautifully. So how did you quilt the main area of the quilt, can you tell us?
NP: I just stitch it in-the-ditch, mainly, and just one or two things I picked out just with a bit of straight quilting that was all. In fact I looked at it the other day and I thought, ‘Well I, perhaps I ought to do a bit more on it,’ because some bits haven’t got any extra quilting, so I might just do a bit more to it.
DS: Yeah, it’s always something you can go back to isn’t it and add a bit more to it.
NP: Yeah. Yeah.
DS: But it is lovely. And the borders, you’ve, you’ve quilted those again.
NP: Yeah. It’s about every quarter of an inch just, ooh, just straight quilting just every, well, every quarter of an inch.
DS: Yeah. It’s lovely.
NP: And it’s what, about three and a half inches wide.
DS: Lovely. And the binding. I can see you’ve got two different colours of binding.
NP: Yeah.
DS: Is that what, what you’d got left over from…
NP: Yes, it was so I d… d…
DS: So you, you made the best of the brown.
NP: Shared it out as best I could, yes.
DS: How do you feel about the quilt now, seeing as it was your first quilt?
NP: Well, it’s like having your first child isn’t it? It’ll always be your favourite.
DS: Ah.
NP: But you, you find faults as well.
DS: Are you very proud of it then? [Laughs]
NP: Yes, I am. Yes, I like it and although, as I say, you find the faults don’t you?
DS: Well, [Nicole laughs] if you look for them I suppose you do [laughs]. And do you have any fond memories of it when you were actually making it?
NP: Yes, I do because we were in a group and we had a fresh, we had a fresh block to do each time we met, and it was just, just nice to do my own and then see what other people had done as well. And we all did the same designs at the same time, but when they were finished they were just totally different. When you looked at them you, you, they were just all totally different because of the different mixtures of colours and, yeah.
DS: Yeah. I think sometimes you can look at a quilt and think, ‘That belongs to so and so,’ can’t you, just b-by the colour combination?
NP: Yeah.
DS: And you know their colour combination and you can say, ‘Yeah, that, that’s theirs.’
NP: Yeah, I think my sister might like this.
DS: Is that what your future plans are for it do you think?
NP: I might ask her, yes [chuckles]. Underline might [chuckles].
DS: Okay, underline might [laughs]. How do you use it now? Is it…
NP: I don’t really use it. It’s been been rolled up in the, in the airing cupboard for quite some time. But perhaps it ought to have a bit of an airing now and again.
DS: So, do you roll your quilts rather than fold them?
NP: Well, [laughs] some of them get folded, and but I like to roll them if I can. But there wasn’t a lot of room to roll a big one like this, well a biggish one like this, so.
DS: No. And you say it’s got a label?
NP: Yeah.
DS: So, how did you do the label? Sorry.
NP: It was just stitched on Aida.
DS: Can you d… can you read it out?
NP: Yes, it says, ‘Made by Nicole Perkins, 2012/2013’.
DS: That’s lovely. In fact can we talk a bit now about, not about the quilt but about you and your quilting life if you like? So do you remember when you first started quilting? You say this was your first quilt but had you done any before then?
NP: Yes. We had a craft group and there were about nine of us and we did quite a lot of things. To start off with the first thing we made was a table centre, as I remember it, and we did it with Prairie Points, a circle, a circle of Prairie Points, and then as we went out to make them square, and we put lavender inside so it’s a nice little… No, I enjoyed doing that.
DS: And when you a gr… a craft group, was it just a craft group on its own or was it associated to something?
NP: Well it was a WI [Women’s institute] craft group.
DS: And, and have you been a member of the WI for a long while?
NP: Yes, 25 years.
DS: My goodness. And do you still, is that group still meeting now?
NP: Not as it started off. It’s much smaller, and we’re more inclined to do some… It’s quite… It’s not structured as it was.
DS: No.
NP: And people just come in and do the same old thing. It would be quite nice to have a bit more structure I think.
DS: Yeah. You’re a bit more advanced though now aren’t you?
NP: Yeah.
DS: You’re an experienced quilter would you say? [Laughs]
NP: [laughs] Enthusiastic, enthusiastic amateur, yeah.
DS: But there are other members of your family who used to sew or quilt. How, how did you first start to sew?
NP: Oh, my mother was a great stitcher but, but she did all sorts of things. She made us dresses when we were little girls and they were always smocked all the way down the front.
DS: I see.
NP: And she used to do lace and crochet and lots of beautiful knitting, so we, we sort of joined in and did little bits and pieces, yeah.
DS: And do you still carry on those skills yourself?
NP: Yes, I knit quite a bit and… yeah, I smocked when my daughter was little but I haven’t done any since for anybody else.
DS: No.
NP: I find, found that quite difficult to keep it even [laughs] so, and gave it up when there was nobody else to use it, yeah.
DS: You undo that as well, Nicole? [Laughs]
NP: Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes, it’s unpicked a lot, yeah.
DS: Lovely.
NP: But I do a lot of cross-stitch as well and, Mum didn’t do that ’cause it wasn’t actually useful, [laughs] so.
DS: No. It had to be useful then did it for it…
NP: Well, hers were, yes, they were all for us…
DS: Yeah.
NP: … and so… crotchet ’round the edge of tablecloths or something for other people and that kind of thing, yeah.
DS: Mmm. But never any quilting then?
NP: No, she didn’t quilt.
DS: No.
NP: No.
DS: That’s a shame.
NP: Yeah.
DS: When you, when you first start making a quilt do you use a pattern or do you ever sit and create your own design?
NP: I have done two without patterns. One wasn’t, wasn’t too bad, the other was a little bit of a, a disaster. I bought a, I bought a blue… What do you call them little rolls?
DS: A Jelly Roll?
NP: Yes, I bought a blue Jelly Roll and I said, ‘Well I’ll do one of those with just a strippy one.’
DS: Mmm.
NP: I was just merrily sewing away and I’ve realised that all the colours were light blue at one end and the dark blue at the other end. So, rather than throw it away, all… I’ve just put butterflies on, a butterfly backing on it so I use the butterfly side, well, if it ever gets used; I throw it over the futon when the children come you know.
DS: So you used the Jelly R… Jelly Roll side as the backing for it?
NP: [Laughs] Yeah.
DS: It worked out well then.
NP: [Laughs] Yeah.
DS: But usually you use a pattern?
NP: Yeah.
DS: And where, where do you get your patterns from?
NP: Where do I get my patterns from? I bought one as a kit just recently. I’ve… It’s over there on the side. I’ve just dug it out. I usually buy things as kits.
DS: Yeah.
NP: Yeah.
DS: And is there a pa-particular place you go to buy them or do you get them from shows or?
NP: Well, I… the one I’ve got now I bought from a show.
DS: A show.
NP: Mmm. And I do have a, I do have a, a recipient for that I think.
DS: Do you? They’re lucky.
NP: [Laughs] Yes.
DS: Well, okay. That was… My next question actually was d… what, what is your inspiration for a quilt? Do you just go out and, and see, see something and decide, ‘Yeah, I’d like to buy that,’ or is it, do you have somebody specific in mind?
NP: I think I usually do them because I want to do them. But I have, I have seen one all in red, a red and white quilt. I think you might have seen it at [Rushall]. Was it Rushall we went to, to the church?
DS: I can’t remember. Oh right, yeah.
NP: And it was blocks of red and white.
DS: Another sampler block one was it or?
NP: Yeah, they’re all the same, just little Nine Patch, nine … yeah Nine Patch blocks. And I thought I’d have a go at that so I’ve got all the fabric ready, it’s just a matter of getting going now.
DS: And is that for yourself will it or will it be?
NP: Well, I don’t know, being red and white I think Holly might like it.
DS: Yeah.
NP: Yeah.
DS: I know you’ve got two new great-grandchildren…
NP: Yes.
DS: … so have you made any quilts for them?
NP: I made one for Alicia, yeah, so… it started off as being a, a cot quilt, and then I thought, ‘Well, it’s a bit big,’ so I put a, a hanger on the back of it as a, as a wall hanging, but I was thinking about bringing that one to this interview, so I asked if I could borrow it back and my granddaughter didn’t know where it was.
DS: Ah!
NP: So she had to hunt for it [both laugh]. So, I, I, I haven’t bothered with doing one for the next boy…
DS: Ah!
NP: … her little boy, no.
DS: He might enjoy one as a play mat.
NP: Yeah, we’ll see.
DS: So, so when you get your pa… you’ve got your pattern and then you’ve got your fabrics, and so do you prefer to hand sew or do you prefer to machine your quilts when you’re piecing them?
NP: Well, nor… I normally machine them, but I’ve got some small things to do. We did one… some… a scarecrow for Halloween, and I hand quilted that one.
DS: Did you enjoy that?
NP: Well, I really enjoyed it just sitting just doing that, yeah. So if… on the small things I like to hand quilt.
DS: Yeah. When, when do you sit? When do you get time to quilt? Can you… Is it a daytime activity or in the evening?
NP: If it’s the machine it’s daytime. In the evening I’ll just do it, just a bit of sewing, yeah.
DS: Yeah. So what type of sewing machine do you have now?
NP: I’ve got a Janome, what’s it, a QC 62-60.
DS: Lovely.
NP: So it, I got it in a sale so I was quite pleased with that.
DS: Right [laughs]. Have you always had an electric sewing machine at home?
NP: I’ve had one since I was about 22, yeah, so it’s quite some time.
DS: Brilliant. So, did you use one at home before then or is it all… only been since, since you got married or what was it bought for?
NP: My mother’s, my mother had, my mother always had a treadle.
DS: Did she?
NP: Yes, and my grandmother had a treadle one, and I used to be fascinated.
DS: Did you learn to machine on that one?
NP: I did on Mum’s yes.
DS: Yeah.
NP: Yeah. I was always was always in fear of getting my fingers underneath but [laughs].
DS: Yeah.
NP: Yeah. And then my uncle bought me one for… a hand machine, a Singer, for my, about my 13th birthday. So I did hand machining all sorts of things for the little ones when they were small. [Clears throat] Pyjamas by the dozen [laughs]. Yeah.
DS: Going back to the fabrics, do you have a particular make of fabric that you prefer or is it just the design that catches your eye? Do you, do you aim to go and buy a certain fabric or?
NP: Not necessarily. If I see something I like I’d probably buy it, but when I look at things in, in the shops and what’s on display… I always think Moda have nice…
DS: Yeah.
NP: … nice fabrics. And I’ve had one or two things from, sort of mauvey-pinkey colours and I can’t remember the woman’s name now. I can’t remember the woman’s name now. She does… She has a, a series of things she makes… You perhaps remember what it, what her name is?
DS: No. There are so many.
NP: Yeah. Yeah.
DS: Yeah. Yeah.
NP: But I’ve looked at her things a few times in on the shows you know.
DS: Yeah.
NP: And I had some bits of fabric from her.
DS: But you prefer commercial fabrics rather than perhaps dyeing your own? Have you ever tried to dye your own?
NP: Oh, no, never tried.
DS: Doesn’t appeal?
NP: No, no, not at…
DS: Not at all.
NP: … not at all, no [laughs].
DS: No, let somebody else do that bit first. Yeah.
NP: Yeah, that’s right, yeah. Yeah.
DS: You do the, the nice bit.
NP: Yeah.
DS: The comfortable bit. Are you a member of a quilt group?
NP: I’m a member of the Wombourne Quilters, yes.
DS: How long have you been a member there?
NP: I think is it two years? Well, I went, I went, from time to time before that and then I became a member. It was two years ago, yeah. And then, what’s the national quilting group?
DS: Yeah, The Quilters’ Guild.
NP: The Quilters’ Guild, that’s it, yeah.
DS: You’re a member of that as well?
NP: Yes. Yeah.
DS: Do you enjoy Wombourne Quilters much?
NP: Well, I do, yes, but I do feel a bit out-faced [laughs]…
DS: Really?
NP: … when I see what other people have made and it just… yeah I find it quite out-facing actually, yes.
DS: Does it not inspire you?
NP: Well, when I go home I think, ‘Well I really must, must do something like that,’ you know but…
DS: Yeah. Yeah.
NP: … yeah perhaps one day.
DS: So what, what sort of things do you do at your quilt group?
NP: Well, we have speakers who show what they’ve made over the years.
DS: Yeah.
NP: And we have workshops where we do various skills. And have sort of chatty evenings when we just do little bits of stitch… bits of nitter natter type of sewing, sewing and nattering.
DS: Yeah. Nitter nattering.
NP: [Laughs] Yeah.
DS: Not sit and sew, knit and…
NP: Sit and sew, that’s what I wanted to say, yeah.
DS: Have you attended any workshops for quiltmaking?
NP: I can’t remember. I did one with Jennie Rayment. It was only a short one but it was about the Foldy Rolly, and I enjoyed that. Yes, I really enjoyed that.
DS: So what, what sort, what sort of things does Jennie Rayment do?
NP: She does a lot of folding and… just fo… just folding things. I don’t quite know how to explain it.
DS: She does, does a lot of pleating, doesn’t she, if I remember [undecipherable] and twisting.
NP: Yes. Yes. I made a cushion with it when… We did one little square at the workshop and I did three more and made a cushion, and I do like it.
DS: Yeah.
NP: Yeah.
DS: Do you remember where you went to to attend that workshop?
NP: Yes, I think it was in Malvern. Yeah. So I’d like to go again. If, if I, if I saw another of her workshops I would like to go again.
DS: Yeah.
NP: Yeah. If there was ever one when she did a day ah that would be lovely.
DS: Yeah, I’d love to do that.
NP: I’d love to, yeah.
DS: Oh, you must do that. I must have a look to see if there’s one on.
NP: Mmm.
DS: Is that the only workshop you’ve attended or do you, did you…
NP: Oh I did, did one at Uttoxeter, and it was to do a Cathedral Window pin cushion, so the equipment we had was, well yeah, it was all put out for us.
DS: Mmm.
NP: And, [laughs] I had pins that wouldn’t push through the fabric [laughs].
DS: Oh dear.
NP: And the needles were… left a lot to be desired and I ended up having achieved well the square root of nothing really…
DS: Oh dear.
NP: … so I wasn’t very happy with that.
DS: So did you bring it home and finish it?
NP: I brought it home but I just, well I don’t know where it is now.
DS: Mmm.
NP: Mmm.
DS: Have you ever done any workshops with Wombourne Quilters?
NP: We did… Yes, we did some free, free machining. I enjoyed that.
DS: What do you mean by when you say free machining? D’you… Can you explain that?
NP: Yes, there’s a special foot on the machine where you can move the fabric wherever you want it, and make patterns or how can you say it… just instead of, of doing appliqué it’s just loose appliqué just with the machine so that you’d have raw edges. Raw edge appliqué I think they call it don’t they? I got there eventually [laughs]. So that, that was nice. I did enjoy that.
DS: So what did you make that day?
NP: I made, it was a tree. And it was about… yes, about nine inches by about 12 I’d say and it was just, just a … you could call it an imaginary tree, yeah.
DS: Did you enjoy it?
NP: I did, I loved it! Yes, I really enjoyed doing that.
0:23:28 DS: Good. Do you ever go to any quilt shows?
NP: Yes. About three a year I think.
DS: Where are they held?
NP: Well we go to Uttoxeter and go to Malvern and we go to the NEC. That’s where we usually go. But I…
DS: Whi-which is your favourite?
NP: I like to going to Malvern simply because of where it is. But the NEC’s got everything hasn’t it so…
DS: Yeah. Too much.
NP: … yeah. Although sometimes it’s a bit too crowded.
DS: Exhausting.
NP: Yes, come back with poorly feet [laughter].
DS: What, and what’s your favourite part of the quilt shows? Is it the, the stallholders or is it the quilts, or is it a bit of both?
NP: Yeah. Well I like to go to both. Again, well when you look at the, the work on display it just knocks you out. They’re just so wonderful. And then I like to go and buy something, like a fabric or something or… I’ve always got a bit of equipment I want, so if I find it so much the better. Yeah. Not that I ever use it when I get it home but just so I’ve got it, it’s a prized possession [laughs].
DS: I think we’re all guilty of that one.
NP: Yeah.
DS: So have, have you ever exhibited yourself in a quilt show?
NP: Once. Yes.
DS: Where was that at?
NP: That was at Uttoxeter. Yeah. And it was, it was hexagons and I did that by hand, it was a hexagons quilt, but it was all in Christmas fabrics.
DS: Wow.
NP: Yeah, so that…
DS: How, how big was that quilt?
NP: It was about four foot by three I think, yeah.
DS: And how big were the hexagons?
NP: Oh, I can’t remember I think the size was about three inches, two and a half, three inches, yeah.
DS: So there was a lot of hexagons in it then?
NP: Yeah, there were, yeah. The… It was when I couldn’t get about very well so I spent a lot of time sitting and it was just something to do and I enjoyed doing it.
DS: So it helped you?
NP: Mmm, it did.
DS: Did you, did you find it a therapy?
NP: Yes, ’cause while I was doing it I forgot what else, else was happening, yeah.
DS: Yeah. And…
NP: And I’ve got quite a few, quite a lot of hexagons left over to do something with sometime, [laughs] as you do.
DS: So did you cut out all the paper hexagons? You did?
NP: Yeah.
DS: You’re very brave.
NP: Yeah [laughs]. Oh, I used old envelopes and all sorts of things [laughs].
DS: Did you leave them in the quilt or did you take them…
NP: No, I took them out.
DS: You took them all out.
NP: Yeah.
DS: Brilliant.
NP: So they went to the recycling, so they were pleased with me.
DS: Yeah.
NP: That was that.
DS: So how many quilts have you made in total then? We’ve only… You haven’t been quilting that many years.
NP: No, I haven’t done many really, I have to say. There’s this one. I made one I gave to my granddaughter and I’ve got… the strippy one and another one and, and the ducky one. This one. So in, in any, any of any size I’ve only about six or seven really.
DS: Yeah. But you’ve done other bits and pieces in-between?
NP: Yes, other things in-between, yes. I made about six or seven bags for granddaughters and things and… oh an embroidery, a thing to hold embroidery silks…
DS: Yeah.
NP: … things, and wall hangings, I’ve done some wall hangings, Christmas wall hangings.
DS: Mmm.
NP: Things like that.
DS: You said you were a member of the WI. I know that the WI have county shows. Do you ever exhibit in any of their shows?
NP: No.
NP: Oh, yes, yeah. We hadn’t been going very long and we were doing bags, and we decided we would e-exhibit some bags. There was a sh… a, there was a … a class for bags, so quite a few of us en-entered some bags so I, I put two in. And I got a highly commended with one so I was, I was really pleased about it. I’d forgotten all about that for the moment, yes, so…
DS: So you’re, you’re, you’re a, a competition winner!
NP: Oh, of course yeah! [Laughs] In my own small way.
DS: In the WI!
NP: In my own small way [laughs]. Yeah.
DS: So have you exhibited since in the WI?
NP: No.
DS: No?
NP: No. We’ve had, we’ve had a couple of displays at the WI of work we did in our, our quilting and craft group, hoping we might enrol a few more members. But…
DS: Yeah.
NP: … I don’t know, they all seem to have other things to do, so we’re just quite a small group.
DS: Yeah. People have got busy lives haven’t they?
NP: Yeah, that’s right, yeah. So we’re just a very small group at the minute.
DS: Yeah. So as quilter today what, what do you think your biggest challenge is? Is it finding time? Is it…
NP: It seems silly, but I’m retired and I just still think, ‘Now where am I going to find the time to sit?’ And I think it’s something like I feel guilty if I’m not doing something else.
DS: It’s a guilty pleasure.
NP: If I, if I take time for me I feel guilty about it. Yeah.
DS: Quilting’s a guilty pleasure, is it?
NP: It is, yes [laughs].
DS: Yeah. So, lastly, I just want to ask you why, why quilting’s… is, is quilting an important part of your life now or is it just a past-time?
NP: I wouldn’t like to think I couldn’t do any more…
DS: Really?
NP: and I get worried that time’s going on, and the sight isn’t what it was and the hands don’t… aren’t quite as deft as they were, so I’m really thinking I ought to be a bit swift and get quite a few things made before it’s too late, so… [laughs].
DS: Yeah.
NP: So I wouldn’t like to think then that that I can’t do any more.
DS: That’s lovely, Nicole. Thank you very much.
NP: Thank you.